January 8, 2012
Ken Lokken vs. the Gospel, pt. 4
A few months ago, I had an e-mail exchange with a group of people, led by Anthony Buzzard and Ken Lokken. What follows is my fourth post to that e-mail group. By this point, Ken had said he wouldn’t “waste [his] time” addressing me, and Des Walter had offered a short post.
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Des –
I’m not trying to ‘help’ anyone. I am proclaiming the Gospel to people who are lost. Ken began this correspondence by sending out an e-mail that promoted a false gospel. No matter if he thinks he has the truth, what he is really peddling is LIES. The same goes for Anthony Buzzard; he is a blind leader of the blind.
If you “will never argue with anyone concerning truth”, then you need to think about Jude 3-4. Further, if you do not believe the Gospel, then you are lost as well, and therefore definitely NOT my brother in Christ. Here is the definition of the Gospel given in the Christian Confession of Faith:
1. The gospel is God’s promise to save His people, giving them all the blessings of salvation from regeneration to final glory, conditioned exclusively on the atoning blood and imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ, totally apart from the sinner’s works and efforts. It reveals the righteousness of God – how God is just to justify the ungodly based on the work of Jesus Christ alone. The gospel is not merely the fact that Jesus lived, died, and rose again, considered apart from the purpose of these truths, which were accomplished to establish a righteousness for all whom Jesus represented.[Gen 15:5-6; Psa 103:2-12; 130:3-4; Isa 1:18; 45:21-25; Jer 33:14-16; Mat 1:21; Joh 3:16; Act 13:32-39; Rom 1:16-17; 3:21-26; 4:5-8,13-25; 10:4,15; 1Co 15:1-8; 2Co 1:20; 5:21; Eph 1:3-2:22; 3:6; Col 1:5; 2Ti 1:1,9-10; Heb 10:4-17]
If this is not the Gospel you believe, then I urge you to consider the Scripture references, repent, and believe the Gospel.
If Ken doesn’t wish to continue this conversation, fine. He can come back anytime he’s willing to start talking about Scripture, instead of his own traditions and preconceived notions.
Anthony –
I notice you completely failed to discuss the one Scripture reference I asked you about. If you can’t do that, why should any of us take you seriously at all?
Here is the section I’m referring to:
<<OK, Anthony, since believing that God could die is such non-sense, why don’t you answer this question that I have already brought up:
Please explain to us all what Rev 1:11-18 means, Anthony.>>
Anthony, you are lost, and a blind leader of the blind. Repent and believe the Gospel.
Chris Adams.
January 1, 2012
Ken Lokken vs. the Gospel, pt. 3
A few months ago, I had an e-mail exchange with a group of people, led by Anthony Buzzard and Ken Lokken. What follows is my third post to that e-mail group (responding to what Ken said, and to a short post by Anthony).
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Ken –
I have put your words in red for readability. You wrote: “Jesus pontificated and I am repeating his words.“
Really? WHERE? You have yet to cite a single Scripture reference to me. Just SAYING you have cited Scripture doesn’t mean you DID cite any Scriptures.
And you responded “——Actually Jesus and I are both right in the context of Jewish mentality. “
The Jewish mentality? Here is the reaction that the Jews had to Jesus’ statement in Joh 8:58:
(Joh 8:59) Because of this, they took up stones that they might throw them on Him. But Jesus was hidden, and went forth out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
And how would the ‘Jewish mentality’ have understood the phrase “the glory which I had with You before the existence of the world”?
Also, don’t forget this display of the ‘Jewish mentality’ from John ch. 10:
(Joh 10:30-33) I and the Father are one! Then again the Jews took up stones, that they might stone Him. Jesus answered them, I showed you many good works from My Father. For which work of them do you stone Me? The Jews answered Him, saying, We do not stone you concerning a good work, but concerning blasphemy; and because you, being a man, make yourself God.
The Jewish mentality was that they wanted a Messiah who was merely HUMAN; one who would save them from the Roman empire. The reason they wanted to stone Jesus was precisely because he WASN’T presenting that to them. He was presenting a Messiah who is God in the flesh (note the final 3 words of v. 33).
Earlier you wrote: “Finite man cannot commit infinite sin.“
In response, I wrote: “ALL sins are infinitely heinous, not because of the infinite glory of man, but because of the infinite glory of GOD. When man offends an infinite God, that sin is an infinite sin. The fact that you can’t see that shows thatyou have absolutely no understanding of God’s glory; your puny little god only needs man’s tears of repentance to be appeased. The true God of the Bible needs the blood of his only begotten Son, the divine mediator between God and Man, to appease his wrath over sin. That is why I say that you have committed blasphemy in preaching that Jesus was merely human, and not God in the flesh. With no understanding of the infinite glory of God, the infinite heinousness of sin, and the need for an infinite atonement for those sins, you show that you have no understanding of the true Gospel. You are lost, Ken, and your deeds are evil; you are dead in your sins. Repent and believe the Gospel.”
And you responded: “You are worse than a drama queen. I have not threatened you at all nor will I ever. This certainly is not the spirit of Jesus whom you claim you worship. So your telling me that sin is infinite..because God is infinite? Does that make sense. Sin my friend ends at the grave and then the judgment, hence sin cannot be infinite. Can you not even simply believe that God could forgive sin through a perfect man? Is he not called the 2nd Adam. Was the first Adam a God-man?“
First, just pause and take a moment to savor the irony of Ken Lokken calling me a drama queen. I think Marc Carpenter summed it up nicely when he wrote: “So in the course of just two months, Ken went from being in “full agreement” with the [Christian Confession of Faith] to showing that he held to time-lapse heresy to saying that he could no longer hold to time-lapse heresy but that it was not a damnable heresy to going back to being in “full agreement” with the CCF, even saying “I was blind but now I see,” yet still not admitting that he was lost when he held to time-lapse heresy, to being a universal atonement advocate.
Third, yes, sin is infinite because God is infinite:
(Deu 27:26) Cursed is he who does not rise to all the words of this law, to do them! And all the people shall say, Amen!
(Hab 1:13) You are of purer eyes than to behold evil, and You are not able to look upon vexation. Why do you look on those who deal deceitfully? Will You be silent when the wicked swallows one more righteous than he?
(Mat 5:48) Therefore, you be perfect even as your Father in Heaven is perfect.
Fourth, no, sin doesn’t end at the grave:
(Mat 13:41-42) The Son of man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all the offenses, and those who practice lawlessness. And they will throw them into the furnace of fire; there will be weeping and gnashing of the teeth.
(Mar 9:43-44) And if your hand offend you, cut it off. For it is profitable for you to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go away into Hell, into the fire that cannot be put out, where their worm does not die, and the fire is not put out.
(Luk 16:23-24) And being in torments in Hell, lifting up his eyes, he sees Abraham afar off and Lazarus in his bosoms. And calling he said, Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am suffering in this flame.
(Rev 20:12-14) And I saw the dead, the small and the great, standing before God. And books were opened. And another Book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged out of the things written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead in it. And death and Hades gave up the dead in them. And they were each judged according to their works. And death and Hades were thrown into the Lake of Fire. This is the second death.
Fifth, No, I cannot believe that God could forgive sin through one who is MERELY a perfect man, because mere men are finite creatures. Forgiveness of sin can ONLY come through one who ALSO partakes of the nature of God:
(Job 9:33) there is no mediator between us, who might lay his hand on both of us.
(2Co 5:21) For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
(Heb 2:14-17) Since, then, the children have partaken of flesh and blood, in like manner He Himself also shared the same things, that through death He might cause to cease the one having the power of death, (that is, the Devil); and might set these free, as many as by fear of death were subject to slavery through all the time to live. For indeed He does not take hold of angels, “but He takes hold of” ” the seed of Abraham.” For this reason He ought by all means to become like His brothers, that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the things respecting God, in order to make propitiation for the sins of His people.
Lastly, yes, the last Adam is a God-Man:
(Joh 1:14) And the Word became flesh and tabernacled among us. And we beheld His glory, glory as of an only begotten from the Father, full of grace and of truth.
(1Co 15:47) The first man was out of earth, earthy. The second Man was the Lord out of Heaven.
(Phi 2:6-8) who subsisting in the form of God thought it not robbery to be equal with God, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a slave, having become in the likeness of men and being found in fashion as a man, He humbled Himself, having become obedient until death, even the death of a cross.
In regard to Mat 22:41-46, you wrote: “God is addressing his servant the Messiah, who is of david’s loins and yet will be David’s Lord. Look up Adonai and Adoni“
OK, here is the definition of ‘Adoni’ [Strongs #113]: “sovereign that is controller (human or divine)”. So the verse could be rephrased as “A statement of Jehovah to my [sovereign controller]: Sit at My right hand, until I place Your enemies as Your footstool.” This means that David’s son is also his sovereign controller. Sorry, but you STILL can’t fit a merely human Messiah into this verse, and you STILL haven’t answered Jesus’ question (and once again, merely SAYING you have answered it doesn’t mean you DID answer it). Once again, the question is: “If David then calls Him ‘Lord,’ how is He his Son?”
You wrote: “Men are a little lower than the angels. Yes and Jesus was a man according to scriptures in every way. The point being this: a man sinned and brought the curse..a perfect man would die and reverse it..“
This doesn’t even begin to answer my question, which is: “If Jesus was merely human, then he was ALREADY like his brothers; so how was he “made” to be like his brothers? “
I wrote: “As for “Focus on the Kingdom”, yeah, I might have some fun refuting their nonsense.”
And your response was: “——Already you are ready to oppose others and you have not even considered their stance“
Actually, I had already been to their website. (Yes, it is nonsense.) Moreover, I have already written a pair of articles on the topic (complete with Scripture references!), so this is familiar stuff to me. Furthermore, I even quoted extensively from one of those articles, and you simply ignored it. So much for being “open minded” and “unbiased”, Ken.
And lastly, Anthony Buzzard chimed in: “I am asked to believe nonsense! An immortal God can die! … There can be no rational discussion unless contradictions like “the immortal dies” are rejected.”
OK, Anthony, since believing that God could die is such non-sense, why don’t you answer this question that I have already brought up:
Please explain to us all what Rev 1:11-18 means, Anthony.
December 25, 2011
Ken Lokken vs. the Gospel, pt. 2
A few months ago, I had an e-mail exchange with a group of people, led by Anthony Buzzard and Ken Lokken. What follows is my second post to that e-mail group.
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Ken –
First of all, I notice that you utterly *failed* to do the one thing I asked you to do: interact with the *Scripture references* I provided. Was that too hard, or just beneath you, Ken? Your pontifications on what the Kingdom of God is all about are utterly *meaningless* without some grounding in Scripture. Yet that is the one thing you have failed to provide. Disgraceful.
You wrote: “Jesus Christ, the human Messiah began his actual existence on earth. He is not the so called 2nd person of the trinity and neither was he a pre-existent spirit”
But contrary to this, Jesus said, “And now Father, glorify Me with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the existence of the world. ” (Joh 17:5) and “Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham came into being, I AM.” (Joh 8:58) Either Ken Lokken is right or Jesus Christ is right; it can’t be both.
You also wrote: “Finite man cannot commit infinite sin.”
ALL sins are infinitely heinous, not because of the infinite glory of man, but because of the infinite glory of GOD. When man offends an infinite God, that sin is an infinite sin. The fact that you can’t see that shows that you have absolutely no understanding of God’s glory; your puny little god only needs man’s tears of repentance to be appeased. The true God of the Bible needs the blood of his only begotten Son, the divine mediator between God and Man, to appease his wrath over sin. That is why I say that you have committed blasphemy in preaching that Jesus was merely human, and not God in the flesh. With no understanding of the infinite glory of God, the infinite heinousness of sin, and the need for an infinite atonement for those sins, you show that you have no understanding of the true Gospel. You are lost, Ken, and your deeds are evil; you are dead in your sins. Repent and believe the Gospel.
You wrote: “The Gospel is the good news of the Messiah and his future Kingdom on earth. It was all Jesus talked about. Only just before his closing days did he even mention that the son of man must suffer to cleanse his people from their sins. “
Really? So why was the Christ-child given the name “Jesus” in Mat 1:21? Was it because he would “usher in the Kingdom on earth”? NO. The name “Jesus” means “Jehovah saves”, and we are specifically told that he would save his people “FROM THEIR SINS”. So, nice try on the obfuscation, but it doesn’t work. Here is the true definition of the Gospel:
The gospel is God’s promise to save His people, giving them all the blessings of salvation from regeneration to final glory, conditioned exclusively on the atoning blood and imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ, totally apart from the sinner’s works and efforts. It reveals the righteousness of God – how God is just to justify the ungodly based on the work of Jesus Christ alone. The gospel is not merely the fact that Jesus lived, died, and rose again, considered apart from the purpose of these truths, which were accomplished to establish a righteousness for all whom Jesus represented. [Gen 15:5-6; Psa 103:2-12; 130:3-4; Isa 1:18; 45:21-25; Jer 33:14-16; Mat 1:21; Joh 3:16; Act 13:32-39; Rom 1:16-17; 3:21-26; 4:5-8,13-25; 10:4,15; 1Co 15:1-8; 2Co 1:20; 5:21; Eph 1:3-2:22; 3:6; Col 1:5; 2Ti 1:1,9-10; Heb 10:4-17] (Christian Confession of Faith V.B.1, http://www.outsidethecamp.org/ccfv.htm )
Next, you asked: “Can God die? “
Answer: YES.
17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. 18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death. (Rev 1:17-18)
And if you doubt that the speaker is God Almighty, see how he introduces himself in verse 9: “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,” Compare Isa 41:4; 44:6; 48:12.
You also wrote: “I am saying a perfect human Jew became our savior. Tell me just how would God incarnate? To do so would make him less than God. Fully God/fully man is neither fully God or fully man. “
Have you ever even READ a New Testament?! This is basic stuff, Ken!
“41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, 42 saying, “What do you think about the Christ? Whose Son is He?”
They said to Him, “ The Son of David.” 43 He said to them, “How then does David in the Spirit call Him ‘Lord,’ saying:
44 ‘ The LORD said to my Lord,
“ Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool”’?
45 If David then calls Him ‘Lord,’ how is He his Son?” 46 And no one was able to answer Him a word, nor from that day on did anyone dare question Him anymore. “
The Pharisees couldn’t answer Jesus’ question, and neither can you, Ken.
Jesus was fully God and fully Man because he was begotten by the Holy Spirit, and born of a virgin. He partook of both the human and divine natures. Hebrews 2:9 says that Jesus was “was made a little lower than the angels”. How is that even possible if Jesus is merely a man? ALL men are lower than the angels, so how was Jesus “made” a little lower? Hebrews 2:17 says “Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. ” If Jesus was merely human, then he was ALREADY like his brothers; so how was he “made” to be like his brothers?
You also wrote: “I am not as wise as you theologians; but neither am I looking through your lenses which I am most familiar with. “
Yeah, you’re just so exceedingly humble, Ken. Keep blowing that trumpet, so the whole world can gather around and see just how wildly humble you are.
Go read the Gospel of Matthew, chapter 23. Was Jesus being humble when he called the Pharisees vipers, whitewashed tombs, and sons of the Devil?
(Here’s a hint: YES, he WAS being humble.)
You wrote: “Perhaps you should at least give mine a try? You pride yourself in being a Berean. To search the scriptures means just that. It does not mean to uphold a bias.”
Yet, you are perfectly willing to NOT search the Scriptures, and uphold YOUR bias. As long as you’re going to live in that glass house, you should probably keep the stones to yourself. Oh, and please, please, close the curtains, Ken. Please.
As for “Focus on the Kingdom”, yeah, I might have some fun refuting their nonsense. But then, I have already written a pair of articles on the divinity of Jesus Christ: ‘A Christian View of the Messiah‘, and ‘An Open Letter to a Jehovah’s Witness‘. If you are as open minded as you seem to think you are (or as open minded as you expect me to be), you will go read them. Of course I’m not holding my breath.
I don’t care whether you recognize the Confession, Ken; that isn’t why I quoted it. What I was doing was putting forth the truth of this doctrine (the deity of Christ) as it has already been formulated. And if the Scripture references are so haphazard and misinterpreted, then why don’t you SHOW US that, instead of asking us to take your word for it? Show us how the Scripture references are misused or misinterpreted, Ken. Then you might have something resembling an argument. Apparently that’s just to much to ask for.
As for Deuteronomy 6:4 “”, here is what John Gill had to say about the passage:
” In an ancient book of theirs it is said {o} Jehovah, Elohenu, Jehovah (i.e. Jehovah, our God, Jehovah); these are the three degrees with respect to this sublime mystery; “in the beginning God (Elohim) created the heavens and the earth”; and again {p}, Jehovah, Elohenu, Jehovah, they are one; the three forms (modes or things) which are one; and elsewhere {q} it is observed, there are two, and one is joined to them, and they are three; and when the three are one, he says to (or of) them, these are the two names which Israel heard, Jehovah, Jehovah, and Elohenu (our God) is joined unto them; and it is the seal of the ring of truth, and when they are joined they are one in one unity; which is illustrated by the three names the soul of man is called by, the soul, spirit, and breath; and elsewhere they say {r} the holy blessed God, and his Shechinah, are called one; see Joh 10:30. {o} Zohar in Gen. fol. 1, 3. {p} Ib. in Exod. fol. 18. 3, 4. {q} Ib. in Numb. fol. 67. 3. {r} Tikkune Zohar, Correct. 47. fol. 86. 2.Ç”
So, yeah, I’m pretty sure Moses would have no problem agreeing that God is a triune being (ie. three in ONE).
Here is some of what I wrote in the article ‘An Open Letter to a Jehovah’s Witness‘ :
“God is an infinite God and an infinitely righteous God. Therefore, all sin is an infinite offense to him (Exodus 20:5, Habakkuk 1:13). Therefore, any sacrifice that is intended to atone for sin must be an infinite sacrifice. Anything less would be insufficient to turn away God’s wrath against the sins of his people. It is only as Jesus Christ partakes of the two natures, human and divine, that he is able to become the Mediator between God and Man (Job 9:33; Hebrews 2:17), able to “lay his hand” upon both at once. Therefore, the Gospel absolutely requires that Jesus Christ not only be a real human being but also be God incarnate, God in the flesh.
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The fact that Jesus is more than a mere “creature” is inferred from the following facts:
1. Several titles applied to Jesus Christ. Jesus is called “Lord”, by Thomas and Stephen (John 20: 28, Acts 7:59-60), and Christians must confess Jesus as “Lord” (Romans 10:9, 1 Corinthians 12: 3). The Greek word here translated “Lord” is kurios, which is the word used to translate “Jehovah” in the Greek version of the Old Testament.
Similarly, Jesus is called “Immanuel” (Matthew 1:23), which means “God with us.” And in Revelation 22:13, Jesus is called “the first and the last,” a title that is given to Jehovah God in Isaiah 44:6. None of these titles could be given to a mere creature.
2. Several attributes of Jesus Christ. Jesus is described as all-knowing (John 1:48; 2:25; 6:64; 16:30; 21:17), all-powerful (Matthew 28:18; Hebrews 1:3), eternal (Micah 5:2), and unchanging (Hebrews 13:8). And Colossians 2:9 states that in Jesus Christ “all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily.” (NWT). None of these things can be said of a mere creature.
3. Several works of Jesus Christ. Jesus has the power to forgive sins (Mark 2:5-7; Luke 5:24; Ephesians 1:7), control nature (Matthew 8:26), give eternal life (John 10:28; 17:2), and judge the world (John 5:22 & 27). None of these things can be done by a mere creature.
4. Jesus Christ received worship. Jesus received worship from men (Matthew 14:33; John 9:38) and angels (Hebrews 1:6, Revelation 5:11-13). Yet worship is due to God alone (Exodus 34:14; Acts 14:11-18; Romans 1:24-25; Revelation 19:10). Jesus himself even taught this (Matthew 4:10; John 4:23). No mere creature can legitimately receive worship.
5. The Patriarchs and Prophets expected a Messiah who would also be Jehovah. The Messiah was expected to be not only David’s son, but his Lord as well (Psalm 110:1). Job said “For I know my Redeemer [is] living, and He shall rise on the earth at the last; and after my skin has been struck off from my flesh, yet this, I shall see God” (Job 19:25-26). John wrote of Jesus in John 12:37-41 that Isaiah “saw His glory, and spoke about Him.” (cf. Isaiah 6:1-5). The Patriarchs and Prophets did not expect that the Messiah would be a mere creature.
Finally, there is Revelation 1: 11-18. In this section, John sees a vision of a person who clearly identifies himself as Jehovah God (vss. 11,14,17). He also has the appearance of a “Son of Man” (v. 13). But this person goes on to say, in v. 18, “I became dead.” So how could Jehovah God die? The only possible explanation is that Jehovah God died on a Roman cross, just outside Jerusalem.“
You wrote: “Your very statement tells me you have absolutely no idea what the gospel is all about. the death, buriel, ressurrection are one of the primary things concerning the Kingdom Of God.”
Oh, so I “have absolutely no idea what the gospel is all about”, eh? Does this mean that I am LOST, Ken? But since I know you don’t have the spine to judge me lost, what is the point of telling me about your view of the Kingdom? If I will be going to heaven no matter what I believe about the Gospel, what is the point of preaching it, or correcting me on my misunderstanding of it?
You are lost, Ken, and so is everyone who believes this damnable heresy. I can say that with absolute certainty because of Mat 7:20. Repent and believe the Gospel.
December 18, 2011
Ken Lokken vs. the Gospel, pt. 1
A few months ago, I had an e-mail exchange with a group of people, led by Anthony Buzzard and Ken Lokken. Ken initiated the exchange. What follows is my first post to that e-mail group.
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Ken –
What did you mean when you wrote this:
I’m especially curious about that last sentence. There seems to be a word missing, and from the context it seems to be the word ‘moment’. If so, then the full sentence reads “At that precise [moment,] Jesus began his existence.” If you intended to add a different word please say so.
If Jesus began his existence at the moment he was conceived, then he was not God in the flesh. If he was not God in the flesh, then his sacrifice of himself on the cross was not of infinite value, and therefore insufficient to atone for the infinitely heinous sins of his people. This is blasphemy.
God’s “program” for his people is not merely to give them something to do, or even something to look forward to. His “program” is to cleanse them from their sins:
The gospel is God’s promise to save His people, giving them all the blessings of salvation from regeneration to final glory, conditioned exclusively on the atoning blood and imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ, totally apart from the sinner’s works and efforts. It reveals the righteousness of God – how God is just to justify the ungodly based on the work of Jesus Christ alone. The gospel is not merely the fact that Jesus lived, died, and rose again, considered apart from the purpose of these truths, which were accomplished to establish a righteousness for all whom Jesus represented.[Gen 15:5-6; Psa 103:2-12; 130:3-4; Isa 1:18; 45:21-25; Jer 33:14-16; Mat 1:21; Joh 3:16; Act 13:32-39; Rom 1:16-17; 3:21-26; 4:5-8,13-25; 10:4,15; 1Co 15:1-8; 2Co 1:20; 5:21; Eph 1:3-2:22; 3:6; Col 1:5; 2Ti 1:1,9-10; Heb 10:4-17] (Christian Confession of Faith V.B.1, http://www.outsidethecamp.org/ccfv.htm )
But your version of God’s “program” is good news to NO ONE, because there is no divine savior, and therefore no atoning blood, no imputed righteousness, and no “blessings of salvation from regeneration to final glory“.
You go on to confirm that you don’t believe in the divine nature of Jesus Christ, when you write:
“Jesus who alone has immortal life, who alone is a glorified man in heaven, is now waiting, …”
Without a savior who is God Incarnate, there is simply no good news:
Jesus of Nazareth is really and truly God as well as really and truly human. He is the only descendant of Adam with two natures, human and divine. These two natures are continually without confusion, without change, without division, and without separation. Scripture rejects the lie that Jesus Christ was merely human and not fully divine. It likewise rejects the lie that Jesus Christ was a supernatural being but not fully human. [Deu 18:15; Psa 2:7; 110:1; Isa 9:6; Luk 2:7; Joh 1:1,14,18; 3:16,18; 5:18; 8:58; 10:30-33; Act 20:28; Rom 1:3; 1Co 15:47; Gal 4:4; Phi 2:6-8; Col 1:15; 1Ti 3:16; Tit 2:13; Heb 1:1-5; 5:5; 1Jo 4:9,15; Rev 1:17-18](Christian Confession of Faith IV.A.2, http://www.outsidethecamp.org/ccfiv.htm )
Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and men, for He alone has partaken of both the divine and human natures and is alone able to lay His hand upon both God and Man. Scripture rejects the lie that Mary or any “saints” mediate between God and men. [Job 9:32-33; Isa 53:12; Zec 6:13; Luk 23:34; Joh 14:6; Act 4:12; Rom 5:1-2; Eph 2:14-18; 1Ti 2:5; Heb 4:15; 9:15; 10:19-20; 12:24] (Christian Confession of Faith IV.D.1, http://www.outsidethecamp.org/ccfiv.htm )
If you (or anyone else on this cc list) would like to respond, I would welcome the exchange. But I ask that you make some effort to deal with the Scripture references I have put forth here (a job which you utterly failed to do in your original post — a sad commentary on a post that was supposed to be about “the message of God’s kingdom”).
